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T O P I C R E V I E Wangel4845AsteroidsSigurd 11066Brynhild 123Gudrun 328I read this mythological story from iceland in my book of visual reference guides Mythology. I found it very interesting and feel and it give clues to those that have experienced love triangles or feel they can relate to one of the characters. Here's a link to the story. http://theslayerrune.blogspot.com/2013/05/brynhild-sigurd-gudrun-fatal-love.html?m=1 Description of the story in my book below.Sigurd was given the gift to understand animals and by bathing in the dragons blood he became invulnerable except for one small spot on his shoulder which GUTTORM the brother of Gudrun pierced Sigurd's week spot, the shoulder. Brynhild and Sigurd fell in love but Sigurd drank a potion that made him forget his promise to Brynhild. They were both doomed because Sigurd gave her the magic ring and naive to think that it would bring doom to all who wore it. After Sigurd drank the potion he fell in love with Gudrun the daughter of Gjuki and Brynhild found out and persuaded Gudrun's brother to kill him but she later relented and over come with guilt, she climbed onto Sigurd's funeral pyre. Thoughts on the story? Ami? Gabby? IQ? Or anyone?" The Völsunga saga also describes a subsequent encounter between Siguršr and Brynhildr at Hlymdale, the home of Brynhildr's brother-in-law, Heimir. There Siguršr declared his love for the shieldmaiden after spotting her in her tower. Promising to return and make Brynhildr his bride, Siguršr then headed for the court of Gjuki, the King of Burgundy. Following Siguršr's departure, Brynhildr was visited by Gudrun, the daughter of Gjuki, who sought her aid in interpreting a dream. This dream presaged Siguršr's betrayal of Brynhildr and marriage to Gudrun.the kingdom of the Burgundians, Gjuki's wife, the sorceress Grimhild, wanting Siguršr married to her daughter Gudrun (Kriemhild in Nibelungenlied), prepared a magic potion that made Siguršr forget about Brynhildr. Siguršr soon married Gudrun. Hearing of Siguršr's encounter with the valkyrie, Grimhild decided to make Brynhildr the wife of her son Gunnar (Gunther in the Nibelungenlied). Gunnar, having gained the consent of Heimir, then sought to court Brynhild, but was stopped by a ring of fire around the castle. He tried to ride through the flames with his own horse and then with Siguršr's horse, Grani, but still failed. Siguršr then exchanged shapes with him and entered the ring of fire. Siguršr (disguised as Gunnar) claimed Brynhildr's hand, and they stayed there three nights. However, Siguršr laid his sword between them (meaning that he did not take her virginity before giving her to the real Gunnar). Siguršr also took the ring Andvaranaut from her finger and later gave it to Gudrun. Gunnar and Siguršr soon returned to their true forms, and Brynhildr married Gunnar.However, Gudrun and Brynhild later quarreled over whose husband was greater, Brynhildr boasting that Gunnar had been brave enough to ride through the flames. Gudrun revealed that it was actually Siguršr who rode through the ring of fire, and Brynhildr became enraged. Siguršr, remembering the truth, tried to console her, but to no avail. Brynhildr plotted revenge by urging Gunnar to kill Siguršr, accusing that he slept with her on Hidarfjall, which he swore not to do. Gunnar and his brother Hogni (Hagen in the Nibelungenlied) were afraid to kill him themselves, as they had sworn oaths of brotherhood to Siguršr. They incited their younger brother, Gutthorm, to kill Siguršr, by giving him a magic potion of enragement, and Gutthorm murdered Siguršr in his sleep. As he was dying, Siguršr threw his sword at Gutthorm, killing him.[2] (some Eddic poems say Gutthorm killed him in the forest south of the Rhine, also while resting).[3]Brynhildr herself killed Siguršr's three-year-old son, and then she willed herself to die. When Siguršr's funeral pyre was aflame, she threw herself upon it thus they passed on together to the realm of Hel.[2]However, in some Eddic poems such as Siguršarkviša hin skamma, Gunnar and Siguršr lay siege to the castle of Atli, Brynhildr's brother. Atli offers his sister's hand in exchange for a truce, which Gunnar accepts. However, Brynhildr has sworn to marry only Siguršr, so she is deceived into believing that Gunnar is actually Siguršr.[4]According to the Völsunga saga, Brynhildr bore Siguršr a daughter, Aslaug, who later married Ragnar Lodbrok."------------------Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th HouseCeridwen 326 is Tamara though328 is Gudrunangel4845 quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen: 326 is Tamara though328 sorry! There's so many versions of this story I don't know which one to follow the version I read which I wrote above is in my bookHere's part of the wiki version "Siegfried and Brünnhilde appear again at the beginning of Götterdämmerung, at which point he gives her the ring and they are separated. Here again Wagner chooses to follow the Norse story, though with substantial modifications. Siegfried does go to Gunther's hall, where he is given a potion to cause him to forget Brünnhilde so that Gunther may marry her. All this occurs at the instigation of Hagen, Alberich's son and Gunther's half-brother. The plan is successful, and Siegfried leads Gunther to Brünnhilde's rock. In the meantime she has been visited by her sister valkyrie Waltraute, who warns her of Wotan's plans for self-immolation and urges her to give up the ring. Brünnhilde refuses, only to be overpowered by Siegfried who, disguised as Gunther using the Tarnhelm, takes the ring from her by force.As Siegfried goes to marry Gutrune, Gunther's sister, Brünnhilde sees that he has the ring and denounces him for his treachery. Still rejected, she joins Gunther and Hagen in a plot to murder Siegfried, telling Hagen that Siegfried can only be attacked from the back. So Gunther and Hagen take Siegfried on a hunting trip, in the course of which Hagen stabs Siegfried in the back with a spear. Upon their return, where Hagen kills Gunther in a dispute over the ring, Brünnhilde takes charge, and has a pyre built in which she is to perish, cleansing the ring of its curse and returning it to the Rhinemaidens. Her pyre becomes the signal by which Valhalla and all the gods also perish in flames."------------------Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th HouseCeridwenYes I know the protagonists as Sigfried, Krimhild and Brunhild. lolangel4845 quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Yes I know the protagonists as Sigfried, Krimhild and Brunhild. lolSo who would you say is the trader? Lol! So much drama in this story.------------------Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th Houseangel4845 quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Yes I know the protagonists as Sigfried, Krimhild and Brunhild. lol"Common to both, and no doubt original, is the conception of Brunhild as the central figure of a story in which she vows to marry only a man of the most outstanding qualities and one that can surpass her in strength. One man, Siegfried, is able to fulfill her conditions, but he woos and wins her not for himself but for another. When Brunhild discovers this deception, she exacts vengeance, which results in the death of Siegfried."------------------Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th HouseAubyanneWow.Ring of the Nebelung, which became The Lord of the Rings via Tolkien's 'transmutation' of Wagner. If THAT's not a crazy synchronicity!The Eddas were fascinating.AubyanneI always thought his BRUNHILD/SIGURD conjunction over my NNODE was curious. Now it's even moreso.They all get clumped together in the composite: SUN-BRUNHILD-GUDRUN with SIGURD too far to be conjunct, 7° from the 0° conjunction of the aforementioned two with the SUN (1°). It all still ends up overlaying my 12H.Then we've got my SIGURD conjunct his GUDRUN (2°) in Draco, with my MOON right on his SIGURD/BRUNHILD conjunction, which carries over. Interesting then that my husband's GUDRUN falls right on it, for a present temporal anchor, being tropical-to-Draco. That's less than 3° from his natal SNODE, which is 1° conjunct my twin's SUN.How very curious, indeed. SikandaVery interesting story. I like the idea of learning about mythology and comparing it to other similar stories. You see how pretty similar stories are transmitted in very distant places of the world. I have to look up what time this Icelandic story is from but what you wrote about Sigurd at the beginning reminds me of Achilles; almost invincible due to being bathed by his mother in the river Styx, except for a spot: one of his heels, and later this became his ruin.This story also reminds me of Romeo and Juliet (the tragic love, the use of a potions)
I read this mythological story from iceland in my book of visual reference guides Mythology. I found it very interesting and feel and it give clues to those that have experienced love triangles or feel they can relate to one of the characters. Here's a link to the story. http://theslayerrune.blogspot.com/2013/05/brynhild-sigurd-gudrun-fatal-love.html?m=1
Description of the story in my book below.Sigurd was given the gift to understand animals and by bathing in the dragons blood he became invulnerable except for one small spot on his shoulder which GUTTORM the brother of Gudrun pierced Sigurd's week spot, the shoulder. Brynhild and Sigurd fell in love but Sigurd drank a potion that made him forget his promise to Brynhild. They were both doomed because Sigurd gave her the magic ring and naive to think that it would bring doom to all who wore it. After Sigurd drank the potion he fell in love with Gudrun the daughter of Gjuki and Brynhild found out and persuaded Gudrun's brother to kill him but she later relented and over come with guilt, she climbed onto Sigurd's funeral pyre.
Thoughts on the story? Ami? Gabby? IQ? Or anyone?
" The Völsunga saga also describes a subsequent encounter between Siguršr and Brynhildr at Hlymdale, the home of Brynhildr's brother-in-law, Heimir. There Siguršr declared his love for the shieldmaiden after spotting her in her tower. Promising to return and make Brynhildr his bride, Siguršr then headed for the court of Gjuki, the King of Burgundy. Following Siguršr's departure, Brynhildr was visited by Gudrun, the daughter of Gjuki, who sought her aid in interpreting a dream. This dream presaged Siguršr's betrayal of Brynhildr and marriage to Gudrun.
the kingdom of the Burgundians, Gjuki's wife, the sorceress Grimhild, wanting Siguršr married to her daughter Gudrun (Kriemhild in Nibelungenlied), prepared a magic potion that made Siguršr forget about Brynhildr. Siguršr soon married Gudrun. Hearing of Siguršr's encounter with the valkyrie, Grimhild decided to make Brynhildr the wife of her son Gunnar (Gunther in the Nibelungenlied). Gunnar, having gained the consent of Heimir, then sought to court Brynhild, but was stopped by a ring of fire around the castle. He tried to ride through the flames with his own horse and then with Siguršr's horse, Grani, but still failed. Siguršr then exchanged shapes with him and entered the ring of fire. Siguršr (disguised as Gunnar) claimed Brynhildr's hand, and they stayed there three nights. However, Siguršr laid his sword between them (meaning that he did not take her virginity before giving her to the real Gunnar). Siguršr also took the ring Andvaranaut from her finger and later gave it to Gudrun. Gunnar and Siguršr soon returned to their true forms, and Brynhildr married Gunnar.
However, Gudrun and Brynhild later quarreled over whose husband was greater, Brynhildr boasting that Gunnar had been brave enough to ride through the flames. Gudrun revealed that it was actually Siguršr who rode through the ring of fire, and Brynhildr became enraged. Siguršr, remembering the truth, tried to console her, but to no avail. Brynhildr plotted revenge by urging Gunnar to kill Siguršr, accusing that he slept with her on Hidarfjall, which he swore not to do. Gunnar and his brother Hogni (Hagen in the Nibelungenlied) were afraid to kill him themselves, as they had sworn oaths of brotherhood to Siguršr. They incited their younger brother, Gutthorm, to kill Siguršr, by giving him a magic potion of enragement, and Gutthorm murdered Siguršr in his sleep. As he was dying, Siguršr threw his sword at Gutthorm, killing him.[2] (some Eddic poems say Gutthorm killed him in the forest south of the Rhine, also while resting).[3]
Brynhildr herself killed Siguršr's three-year-old son, and then she willed herself to die. When Siguršr's funeral pyre was aflame, she threw herself upon it thus they passed on together to the realm of Hel.[2]
However, in some Eddic poems such as Siguršarkviša hin skamma, Gunnar and Siguršr lay siege to the castle of Atli, Brynhildr's brother. Atli offers his sister's hand in exchange for a truce, which Gunnar accepts. However, Brynhildr has sworn to marry only Siguršr, so she is deceived into believing that Gunnar is actually Siguršr.[4]
According to the Völsunga saga, Brynhildr bore Siguršr a daughter, Aslaug, who later married Ragnar Lodbrok."
------------------Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th House
326 is Tamara though328 is Gudrun
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen: 326 is Tamara though
326 is Tamara though
328 sorry! There's so many versions of this story I don't know which one to follow the version I read which I wrote above is in my book
Here's part of the wiki version "Siegfried and Brünnhilde appear again at the beginning of Götterdämmerung, at which point he gives her the ring and they are separated. Here again Wagner chooses to follow the Norse story, though with substantial modifications. Siegfried does go to Gunther's hall, where he is given a potion to cause him to forget Brünnhilde so that Gunther may marry her. All this occurs at the instigation of Hagen, Alberich's son and Gunther's half-brother. The plan is successful, and Siegfried leads Gunther to Brünnhilde's rock. In the meantime she has been visited by her sister valkyrie Waltraute, who warns her of Wotan's plans for self-immolation and urges her to give up the ring. Brünnhilde refuses, only to be overpowered by Siegfried who, disguised as Gunther using the Tarnhelm, takes the ring from her by force.
As Siegfried goes to marry Gutrune, Gunther's sister, Brünnhilde sees that he has the ring and denounces him for his treachery. Still rejected, she joins Gunther and Hagen in a plot to murder Siegfried, telling Hagen that Siegfried can only be attacked from the back. So Gunther and Hagen take Siegfried on a hunting trip, in the course of which Hagen stabs Siegfried in the back with a spear. Upon their return, where Hagen kills Gunther in a dispute over the ring, Brünnhilde takes charge, and has a pyre built in which she is to perish, cleansing the ring of its curse and returning it to the Rhinemaidens. Her pyre becomes the signal by which Valhalla and all the gods also perish in flames."------------------Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th House
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Yes I know the protagonists as Sigfried, Krimhild and Brunhild. lol
So who would you say is the trader? Lol! So much drama in this story.
"Common to both, and no doubt original, is the conception of Brunhild as the central figure of a story in which she vows to marry only a man of the most outstanding qualities and one that can surpass her in strength. One man, Siegfried, is able to fulfill her conditions, but he woos and wins her not for himself but for another. When Brunhild discovers this deception, she exacts vengeance, which results in the death of Siegfried."
Ring of the Nebelung, which became The Lord of the Rings via Tolkien's 'transmutation' of Wagner. If THAT's not a crazy synchronicity!
The Eddas were fascinating.
They all get clumped together in the composite: SUN-BRUNHILD-GUDRUN with SIGURD too far to be conjunct, 7° from the 0° conjunction of the aforementioned two with the SUN (1°). It all still ends up overlaying my 12H.
Then we've got my SIGURD conjunct his GUDRUN (2°) in Draco, with my MOON right on his SIGURD/BRUNHILD conjunction, which carries over.
Interesting then that my husband's GUDRUN falls right on it, for a present temporal anchor, being tropical-to-Draco. That's less than 3° from his natal SNODE, which is 1° conjunct my twin's SUN.
How very curious, indeed.
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